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Legolas questo sconosciuto
Qualcuno di voi ├Ę in grado di dirmi la data di nascita approssimativa di Legolas Verdefoglia?



Grazie .

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allora ti posso dire l'anno....allora se non erro la guerra dell'anello ├Ę stata combttuta nel....vediamo...3019 e legolas aveva senn sbaglio...2931 anni...(vecchiotto per aver tante fan eh ?) quindi dovrebbe nascere intorno all' anno 88....

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Ma come puoi chiedere l'età di un sogno?
I sogni non conoscono il tempo,nascono e muoiono nel nostro cuore,senza tempo, e a volte senza fretta c├Ę lo spezzano........
Legolas e l'elfo che tutti noi ,quelli di questo sito abbiamo nel fondo della nostra anima.......
Un bellissimo ,perduto ,essere di luce e musica.........

Beruthiel,la Nera Regina

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beruthiel il 01-11-2003 17:37 ha scritto:
Ma come puoi chiedere l'età di un sogno?
I sogni non conoscono il tempo,nascono e muoiono nel nostro cuore,senza tempo, e a volte senza fretta c├Ę lo spezzano........
Legolas e l'elfo che tutti noi ,quelli di questo sito abbiamo nel fondo della nostra anima.......
Un bellissimo ,perduto ,essere di luce e musica.........


Accidenti! Mi sono sempre chiesta perch├Ę Legolas mi abbia sempre colpito e affascinato... e tu hai trovato la risposta giusta e la pi├╣ poetica!!!

[non avrei mai detto che era cos├Č vecchiotto!!! Per├▓ li porta davvero bene!! ]

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ma io credevo ke fosse anagrafica.... sar├á che nn sn poetica d questi tempi....... cmq ├Ę nato molto vicino ad elladan ed elrohir e per gli anni.....credo ke ognuno dentro di noi se lo immagini diversamente quanti anni ha biologicamente....

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Precisazione:
nel film di Peter Jackson viene attribuita a Legolas l'età di 2931 anni ma nel lòibro di tolkien non si fanno menzioni di alcun tipo riguardanti l'età anagrafica di Legolas Verdefoglia.

i amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, han mathon ne chae a han noston ne 'wilith. The world is changed, i feel it in the water, i feel it in the earth i smell it in the air. (The Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring film)

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Ah,Legolas!

L'elfo per eccellenza,il caro amico di anni ed anni.
Un sogno?Forse,io direi solo un essere meraviglioso difficile da scorgere ed ancor pi├╣ difficile da accompagnare sui sentieri del mondo.

Io l'ho trovai anni fa (quanti ormai!) e da allora a tratti lo ritrovo.

Luce tra i rami,acqua che canta,vento dolce sul viso.

├║ estelo maqueti├ęn Quendin,aica hendunta l├í tye-cene

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Emh.. forse adesso mi tirer├▓ addosso le ire di tutte le fans di legolas, ma io non lo vedo poi cos├Č affascinante come personaggio. Non ├Ę di sicuro l'elfo per eccellenza, (parlo del libro, nel film gli ├Ę stata data una connotazione diversa, personalmente mi sembra un elfo incrociato con Bruce Lee ). Tolkien ha sviluppato molto di pi├╣ le personalit├á di altri elfi (nel Silmarillion). Personalmente il titolo di "elfo per eccellenza" va diviso tra Galadriel e Elrond . Non ce l'ho con Legolas, ma tutto sommato ├Ę un comprimario.

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A proposito del tema...
desmond il 01-11-2003 14:18 ha scritto:
Qualcuno di voi ├Ę in grado di dirmi la data di nascita approssimativa di Legolas Verdefoglia?


Perfavore, non divaghiamo parlando del personaggio in s├ę

Possiamo diventare adulti fuori. Dobbiamo rimanere bambini dentro.

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appare anche nel libro "racconti perduti" nel racconto l"la caduta di Gondolin" (non mi ricordo se anche nella versione posteriore cio├Ę il "Silmarillion") quindi se non sbaglio dovrebbe essere anche pi├╣ vecchio di Elrond! :rolleye non sono sicurissima
spero di non aver detto una cavolata enorme...

nella lotta tra bene e male sarà la purezza di cuore di un bambino a decidere le sorti del mondo

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Avevo trovato qualche tempo fa su Internet uno scritto su Legolas da parte di un/a fan-tolkieniano/a, o cos├Č mi ├Ę parso da come scrive. Posto qui di seguito il testo in inglese originale. Se non sbaglio dovrebbe parlare anche dell'et├á di Legolas, facendo supposizioni. Purtroppo non ho n├Ę l'indirizzo del sito, n├Ę il nominativo della persona che l'ha scritto.

Legolas of Mirkwood
Prince Among Equals

"There was also a strange Elf clad in green and brown, Legolas, a messenger from his father, Thranduil, the King of the Elves of Northern Mirkwood." Council of Elrond, FOTR.

"I am one of the Nine Companions who set out with Mithrandir from Imladris," said Legolas, "and with this Dwarf, my friend, I came with Lord Aragorn." The Last Debate, ROTK.

Glorfindel and other Elves of great renown attended the Council of Elrond, yet it was appointed to Legolas to represent the race of L├║thien and Thingol, Galadriel and F├źanor, in the Fellowship of the Ring. Who is Legolas, then, and what is his history? If he is someone important, then why does he identify himself not by his lineage, but by his friends? Why, in a list of all the Elves who came to the Council of Elrond, does Tolkien call him "strange"? There is something unusual about him that has nothing to do with blue contact lenses.
But tracking an elf's footprints is going to take some detective work.
The Scout of Mirkwood
Legolas arrives in Imladris to report on Gollum's escape, and learns only at the Council of the significance of this event. He gives a full account of the manner of Gollum's imprisonment, his tricks and habits during captivity, the raid by orcs, and the Elves' attempts to track the escapee. While Legolas may simply be referring to his people collectively as "we", his account contains firsthand details that imply he himself was not only one of Gollum's trackers after the battle, which was an assault on his father's lands, but he was also one of Gollum's guards during his captivity. This seems a strange duty for a king's son, especially if Gandalf did not tell the king why Gollum was so important.
The Eyes of the Fellowship

"Legolas whose eyes were keen was the rearguard." The Ring Goes South, FOTR.

His job in the Fellowship is as chief lookout, a role in which even the best of the Rangers cannot surpass him. Aragorn relies on Legolas' eyes in the hunt across Rohan. There and on many other occasions, the Elf demonstrates the uncanny sight, hearing, and nimbleness of his race. He is not well-versed in lore or history, even that of the Elves, for he knows little about Eregion or even L├│rien, from which his own people came long ago. He carries a bow and knife instead of the spears, lances, or swords wielded by Gil-galad, Turgon, and other elf princes and kings of old. At L├│rien's eaves he briefly becomes the party's guide, but he does not name Celeborn and Galadriel. He seeks aid instead in the streams and trees themselves. In every way he is a scout, a hunter, a woodland elf, with deep personal connections to the natural world, but not to the policies, lore, history and problems of the lords and stewards of his race.
Prince Who?
Apart from the first mention of him at the Council, Legolas is never referred to or treated as a king's son. Indeed, Celeborn is the only person who even calls him "son of Thranduil". No one else seems aware of his family status. Aragorn introduces him to ├ëomer as, "Legolas from the Woodland Realm in distant Mirkwood." Gandalf declares him "Legolas the Elf" to the door-warden of Edoras, where the wizard takes pains to reveal Aragorn's identity for the first time in order to impress Th├ęoden. When Prince Imrahil marvels to see one of the "fair folk" in Gondor, Legolas merely names himself as one of the Nine Walkers, identifying himself by his friends rather than by his blood. He never calls himself a king's son or Thranduil's heir, and in fact, his words do a good job of concealing this relationship. At the Fields of Cormallen, Legolas states he will bring Elves to Ithilien "if my Elven-lord allows". Not all sons of Elf-lords are so reticent about referring to papa; Elrohir had earlier brought a message "from my father" to Aragorn.
Perhaps Legolas is a younger son, although we never hear of brothers? Perhaps it has something to do with the politics of Mirkwood? Perhaps as a member of an immortal race, an Elf doesn't want or expect to inherit his father's kingdom? Perhaps the divisions between leaders and subjects are not particularly important to Elves, or at least to him? We don't know why Legolas acts like a commoner. However, if he were to meet his modern-day fans, he would probably be quite baffled to hear himself called "Prince of Mirkwood".
Legolas the Wood-elf
For those who aren't familiar with the backstory, you need to understand that there are several different Elven races, who settled in different places during the early Ages of the world, and who developed various civilizations. By the time of Lord of the Rings, all the ancient kingdoms (and even the lands where they used to be) are long gone, remembered only by refugees who wound up in Rivendell, L├│rien, and Mirkwood. The Elves east of the Misty Mountains were a much more primitive race who had never been a part of those ancient kingdoms. Legolas' family are immigrants to that part of the world, as are Celeborn and Galadriel.
L├│rien and Mirkwood both are realms of the Silvan or Wood-elves, the rustic and unlearned group of Elves that never travelled west and had little or no role in the great histories and events of the First and Second Age. They are most closely related to the Green-elves, a scattered forest-dwelling race who went just a little farther west, and who were culturally primitive compared to the High-elves from Valinor and the Sindarin elves of Doriath. Basically, the Green-elves and their Silvan relatives are the "country hicks", and the High-elves and Sindar are the nobility.
When the ancient kingdoms fell, and their lands were covered over by the ocean, most of the High-elves and Sindarin Elves sailed away, but some stayed on the western end of the continent (Rivendell is one of their last remaining settlements in ROTK). The surviving Green-elves fled back east over the mountains and were fused with the Wood-elves. A very few Sindarin nobles went with them, and became their Kings. Legolas' grandfather was one. Yet as we have seen, his royal heritage is camouflaged, and Legolas always speaks as if he really were a simple Wood-elf.

"There is a wholesome air about Hollin. Much evil must befall a country before it wholly forgets the Elves, if once they dwelt there."
"That is true," said Legolas. "But the Elves of this land were of a race strange to us of the silvan folk." The Ring Goes South, FOTR.



"Here is Nimrodel!" said Legolas. "Of this stream the Silvan Elves made many songs long ago, and still we sing them in the North."
[...]
"I will sing you a song of the maiden Nimrodel, who bore the same name as the stream beside which she lived long ago. It is a fair song in our woodland tongue." Lothl├│rien, FOTR.



"There are some among you who can handle boats: Legolas, whose folk know the swift Forest River." Farewell to L├│rien, FOTR.



"I could have been happy here [in Fangorn], if I had come in days of peace."
"I dare say you could," snorted Gimli. "You are a Wood-elf, anyway, though Elves of any kind are strange folk." The White Rider, TTT.

Again, one could interpret these passages more generally. A foreign king and his family will often identify with their subjects. However, if you remember the manners and habits of the happy-go-lucky Wood-elves in The Hobbit, even taking into account the change in writing style, the character of Legolas in LOTR sounds much more like a Wood-elf in temperament than he does the wise, grave, and often sorrow-laden lords and loremasters of the Sindar and High-elves. He is a Wood-elf in more ways than just by association. He thinks like one, too. Two of numerous examples of this:

"Alas for the folly of these days!" said Legolas. "Here all are enemies of the one Enemy, and yet I must walk blind, while the sun is merry in the woodland under leaves of gold!" Lothl├│rien, FOTR.



The heart of Legolas was running under the stars of a summer night in some northern glade amid the beech-woods. The Great River, FOTR.

He is a singer of songs, undaunted and usually cheerful (although not immune to emotional outbursts and distress, as seen at the Council of Elrond and when the Balrog appears). The "I go to find the Sun!" incident on Caradhras is an excellent summary of his lighthearted character and personality. The ghosts of Men hold no fear for him, nor does battle dismay him in the least; he makes a joyous game of it with Gimli at Helm's Deep. As M. Martinez points out in his excellent "Speaking of Legolas" article, no other Elves we've met would play such a game, and Legolas' sudden impulse to ride into the Huorn-forest to get a closer look at the strange trees (The Road to Isengard, TTT) is typical of his innocent curiosity.
So Why Is He a Wood-elf?
In comments in his later letters and writings, Tolkien reveals a startling political divide between L├│rien and Mirkwood, almost as great as that between Elves and Dwarves. Tolkien writes about Legolas' grandfather:

Compared with the Elves of Doriath, his Silvan folk were rude and rustic. Oropher had come among them with only a handful of Sindar, and they were soon merged with the Silvan Elves, adopting their language and taking names of Silvan form and style. This they did deliberately; for they (and other similar adventurers forgotten in the legends or only briefly named) came from Doriath after its ruin and had no desire to leave Middle-earth, nor to be merged with the other Sindar of Beleriand, dominated by the Noldorin [High-elven] Exiles for whom the folk of Doriath had no great love. They wished indeed to become Silvan folk and to return, as they said, to the simple life natural to the Elves before the invitation of the Valar had disturbed it. The History of Galadriel and Celeborn, UT.

The problem with Galadriel and Celeborn is apparently a personal one. Galadriel was an exile of the High-Elves; Celeborn was (in most accounts) a Sindarin kinsman of the King of Doriath. Both of them visited L├│rien a good deal during the Second Age, when it was ruled by another Sindarin King and a friend of Oropher's (Amdir, father of the Amroth we hear about in the Lay of Nimrodel). While the Silvan folk of L├│rien welcomed them, Oropher and his people did not. I have a feeling he was not at all happy when Galadriel, who was never free of her cravings for dominion until her showdown with Frodo, started wearing one of the Three Ruling Rings in S.A. 1590. I suspect this was when Oropher decided to make tracks.

In the Second Age their king, Oropher [the father of Thranduil, father of Legolas], had withdrawn northward beyond the Gladden Fields. This he did to be free from the power and encroachments of the Dwarves of Moria, which had grown to be the greatest of the mansions of the Dwarves recorded in history; and also he resented the intrusions of Celeborn and Galadriel into L├│rien. On Galadriel and Celeborn, UT: 270.

Apparently Legolas does not know about these family politics, or at least, he never seems to have any misgivings about Galadriel and Celeborn. He doesn't think about why he has been raised as a Wood-elf. That's just what he is.
What Is His Native Language?
Wait! Back up a moment! What did Tolkien say back there about Legolas' family? "They were soon merged with the Silvan Elves, adopting their language..." Does that mean Legolas was born speaking Silvan Elvish, and only learned Sindarin (which had become the universal spoken language for the Elves) later?

Frodo could understand little of what was said, for the speech that the Silvan folk east of the mountains used among themselves was unlike that of the West. Legolas looked up and answered in the same language. Lothl├│rien, FOTR.



"Yrch!" said Legolas, falling into his own tongue. The Great River, FOTR.

Yrch is the Sindarin word for "orcs"; Silvan is just yrc. So while he speaks with a Silvan accent, it's obvious that his birth-tongue is Sindarin. Evidently the House of Thranduil had adopted some Silvan words or styles of phrasing, but to say they had completely "adopted their language" as native would be an exaggeration. Keep in mind that the quotes from Unfinished Tales are bits and pieces Tolkien probably never meant to be published; he hadn't reviewed and revised them for consistency.

Thranduil father of Legolas of the Nine Walkers was Sindarin, and that tongue was used in his house, though not by all his folk. Appendix A, The History of Galadrield and Celeborn, UT.

At the end of this passage Tolkien adds:

By the end of the Third Age the Silvan tongues had probably ceased to be spoken in the two regions that had importance at the time of the War of the Ring: L├│rien and the realm of Thranduil in northern Mirkwood. All that survived of them in the records was a few words and several names of persons or places. Appendix A, The History of Galadriel and Celeborn, UT.

In short, Silvan used to be spoken in Mirkwood and L├│rien, but by ROTK all that's left of it was a regional accent. Frodo can't understand the Sindarin spoken by some of Haldir's scouts because of the hick accent. The question is whether Legolas is old enough to remember Silvan.
What Is His Age?

"Many long lives of men it is since the golden hall was built."
"Five hundred times have the red leaves fallen in Mirkwood my home since then," said Legolas, "and but a little while does that seem to us." The King of the Golden Hall, TTT.



"It [Fangorn] is very, very old," said the Elf. "So old that I almost feel young again, as I have not felt since I journeyed with you children. It is old and full of memory." The White Rider, TTT.

The first of these two quotes again has the "we" problem; is Legolas simply speaking as a member of a long-lived race which is used to seeing time in this fashion, or is he speaking from personal experience? The second quote establishes that he is not young, by Elf standards, although that could mean anything older than boyhood.
Fans of the Peter Jackson films have an answer to the age question, but it's actually not from Tolkien:

"As for Legolas," adds Orlando Bloom," he has seen the world. He is incredibly experienced in many ways. Mind you, he should be ┬ş after all, he is 2,931 years old!" p. 44, LOTR Offical Movie Guide by Brian Sibley.

FergoBaggins (councilofelrond) has pointed out that this figure matches the year in which Aragorn was born. But in the writings of Tolkien himself, we've found no explicit references to Legolas' age or personal history prior to the War of the Ring.
To answer this question more fully, we must turn to Legolas' recollections and his family history. This approach is problematic, since we can't tell when he's speaking about incidents that happened far away while he was alive, or when he's speaking about events he only knows through the songs and legends of his people.
(Note: S.A. = Second Age, which began when the ancient Elf-kingdoms were covered over by the sea, and ended with the Last Alliance of Men and Elves about 3000 years later. T.A. = Third Age, which began when Isildur cut the Ring from Sauron's finger. Frodo's quest begins in T.A. 3018.)
When the Fellowship is crossing the Misty Mountains, Gandalf and Legolas discuss the Elves who used to live outside the Gates of Moria, a long time ago:

"There is a wholesome air about Hollin. Much evil must befall a country before it wholly forgets the Elves, if once they dwelt there."
"That is true," said Legolas. "But the Elves of this land were of a race strange to us of the silvan folk, and the trees and the grass do not now remember them: Only I hear the stones lament them: deep they delved us, fair they wrought us, high they builded us; but they are gone. They are gone. They sought the Havens long ago." The Ring Goes South, FOTR.

Legolas' family passed over the Misty Mountains "before the building of Barad-d├╗r" (Tale of Years, Appendix B, ROTK) to join the Silvan Elves. That means not too many centuries after Eregion (Hollin) was founded (S.A. 750). So what Legolas said holds true even if he was contemporary with Hollin. Dead end. What does Legolas know about his people's departure from L├│rien?

"It is long since any of my own folk journeyed hither back to the land whence we wandered in ages long ago," said Legolas, "but we hear that L├│rien is not yet deserted, for there is a secret power here that holds evil from the land. Nevertheless its folk are seldom seen, and maybe they dwell now deep in the woods and far from the northern border." Lothl├│rien, FOTR.

That sounds like Legolas was not alive when his grandfather took his people away from L├│rien, "northward beyond the Gladden Fields". The fact that he never shows any suspicion or hostility towards Galadriel and Celeborn suggests he was born after the doubts and resentments that led his family to move north had died down. It's perhaps not mere coincidence, however, that he tells the Fellowship about King Amroth and doesn't mention anything about the Wood's newer regime.

"It is told that she [Nimrodel] had a house built in the branches of a tree that grew near the falls; for that was the custom of the Elves of L├│rien, to dwell in the trees, and maybe it is so still. Therefore they were called the Galadhrim, the Tree-people. Deep in their forest the trees are very great. The people of the woods did not delve in the ground like Dwarves, nor build strong places of stone before the Shadow came." Lothl├│rien, FOTR.

Now this is more definite: the Balrog arose in Moria in T.A. 1980, and Amroth and Nimrodel were both lost during the resulting chaos in 1981. Was Legolas alive then, or does he only know of them through song? I think it's the latter, because he's made one mistake. He's forgotten the Elvenking's mighty hall of stone. When was it actually built, and why? When the shadow of Dol Guldur fell upon Mirkwood around T.A. 1000, the Silvan Elves...

retreated before it as it spread ever northward, until at last Thranduil established his realm in the north-east of the forest and delved there a fortress and great halls underground. Oropher was of Sindarin origin, and no doubt Thranduil his son was following the example of King Thingol long before. Appendix B, The History of Galadriel and Celeborn, UT.

Legolas' home is the main "strong place of stone...delved in the ground like Dwarves" among all the Silvan folk; we don't see any such place in L├│rien. So he has to have his father's hall in mind. But the event that he says inspired its construction is a thousand years too late. The most logical explanation is that he was born well after the deaths of Amroth and Nimrodel, long enough for them to be a poignant legend, and for any family grumbling regarding Celeborn and Galadriel (who took charge of L├│rien after this event) to die down. That makes him less than a thousand years old by the War of the Ring, albeit closer to a thousand than five hundred, considering what he said at Meduseld.
Lollypop (councilofelrond) raises one problem with this theory: Arwen Und├│miel is described as the "Evenstar of her people", as if she were the last Elf born in Middle Earth. But it is hard to know how literally to take the metaphor. Does it mean of all Elves, or of the High-elves and Sindar from whom Legolas' family had distanced themselves? And is it instead mostly a reference to her status as a very special Elf indeed, a near-likeness of the legendary L├║thien Tin├║viel, whose name also alludes to twilight? Arwen was born in 241 of the Third Age.
If we assume Arwen is the last Elf born, and push Legolas' birthdate back two thousand years, there is still one more event suggesting he was born in the Third Age. Appendix B of Unfinished Tales chronicles the part Legolas' family played in the Last Alliance of Men and Elves (end of S.A.). His grandfather, King Oropher, set aside personal misgivings about the other Elves enough to lead a host of his own Silvan Elves to Mordor, marching with a smaller L├│rien company led by King Amdir (in this account called Malgalad). Both of them took horrible losses for the same reasons that the Green-elves got trounced a few millenia before and spent the rest of the First Age in hiding. The Silvan Elves used very little metal, and no more armor than Legolas does when he's off in the woods, making them very vulnerable. King Amdir's company was cut off and slaughtered in the Dead Marshes at the Battle of Dagorlad. To make matters worse, Oropher would not take commands from Gil-galad, led his own charge, and was massacred before the Black Gate along with all the champions of his household. Two-thirds of the Silvan Elves were killed before Sauron was defeated. When Thranduil led the survivors back to Mirkwood,

there was in Thranduil's heart a still deeper shadow. He had seen the horror of Mordor and could not forget it. If ever he looked south its memory dimmed the light of the Sun... fear spoke in his heart that it was not conquered forever; it would rise again. Appendix B, The History of Galadriel and Celeborn, UT.

We begin to see more reasons why he seems ill-tempered and reclusive, yet compassionate towards the sufferings of the Lake-men, in The Hobbit.
If Legolas had been in the Last Alliance, he would have witnessed his grandfather and entire household being cut down before the Black Gate, where his father also nearly perished. Surely Legolas would have remarked on this, when he followed Aragorn to the very same place with almost no hope of survival. It seems to me more likely that he was born well after this disaster, so that its shadow did not touch his spirit. That would make him younger than Arwen, for the loss of two-thirds of the population of Mirkwood would not have been forgotten within a few hundred years of that dreadful war. It also suits the pattern of Tolkien, who tends to have parallel families with parallel generations (e.g. Tuor and Huor, T├║rin and H├║rin). King Oropher and King Amdir marched to war together, and both were slain. Their sons Thranduil and Amroth returned and became kings after them. Legolas would be the same generation as a son of Amroth, had Amroth not died while wooing Nimrodel.
If Legolas was indeed born after Amroth's story had become legend, some six to eight hundred years before LOTR begins, then he is old compared to the rest of the Fellowship, but still a young adult in his "tweens", as the Hobbits would say.
What Does He Look Like?
LOTR gives us almost nothing about Legolas' appearance, save that he is stunningly beautiful as all Elves must be, and he is described as tall with long fingers. We have one other tiny clue from The Hobbit, where his father is described as "a woodland king with a crown of leaves on his golden hair." Presumably Legolas' family is light-complexioned after the manner of a few High Elves (Galadriel), rather than dark-haired like many of the Sindar (Celeborn, Tin├║viel). Some readers have objected to a blond Legolas, citing:

Frodo looked up at the Elf standing tall above him, as he gazed into the night, seeking a mark to shoot at. His head was dark, crowned with sharp white stars that glittered in the black pools of the sky behind. The Great River, FOTR.

However, it was pitch-black at the time; Legolas could not even see what it was he shot, and his eyes are better than Frodo's. The darkness there has nothing to do with his head.
Legolas' grace, his singing, his emotional and poetic language, Tolkien's early conceptions of Elves as fairies, and popular impressions about elves in general have given many readers the impression that he is a bit of a lightweight. Tolkien later had to set the record straight, as his son noted:

Long afterwards my father would write, in a wrathful comment on a 'pretty' or 'ladylike' pictoral rendering of Legolas:

'He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazg├╗l, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship.'

The Book of Lost Tales 2, p. 333.

Perhaps "pretty" is the wrong adjective, but "fair of face beyond the measure of Men" is a typical description. Regardless of what he looks like, Tolkien's point is that he's a formidable fellow.
What's in a Name?

Legolas is translated Greenleaf (II 106, 154) a suitable name for a Woodland Elf, though one of royal and originally Sindarin line.[...]Technically, Legolas is a compound (according to rules) of S[indarin] laeg 'viridis' fresh and green, and go-lass 'collection of leaves, folliage'. Letters 297.



Legolas means 'green-leaves', a woodland name - dialectal form of pure Sindarin laegolas: *lass├ź (High-elven lasse, S. las(s)) 'leaf'; *gwa-lassa/*gwa-lassi├ź 'collection of leaves, folliage' (H.E. laica, S. laeg (seldom used, usually replaced by calen), woodland leg). Letters 211.

It's fairly common in Tolkien for Elves to receive an epithet that's actually a translation of their name: Thingol Greycloak, Arwen Evenstar (in this case a translation of Und├│miel). There's a puzzle with Legolas' name, however. Laeg is not only exteremely archaic, but the only other example we have for it is Laegel, "Green-elf". Remember that the Green-elves were a rural, backward people compared to the High-elves and Sindar. Only to a member of Thranduil's family would they seem worthy of respect.
It is still a strange thing to name his son. Mirkwood's original name uses the later word for "green" : Emyn Galen. At the end of ROTK, Thranduil renames it Greenleaves. Does he use his son's name? No! He calls it Emyn Lasgalen. What's going on here?
In spite of Tolkien's comment about the Sindar of Mirkwood adopting Silvan language, Legolas' name is the only example we know of where a Sindarin word has been "Silvanized". It's normally the other way around: Silvan elves adopt Sindarin (even in Mirkwood), and Silvan names are "Sindarinized" (Caras, L├│rien). Mirkwood's various Elvish names are all purely Sindarin. Legolas' name is unique. And I keep coming back to Laegolas. Why not simply Laeglas(s)? Why laeg at all, a word as old-fashioned to them as "thews" would be to us? Why not use Lasgalen or Calenolas or Calellas, and then Silvanize one of those? Why does his name sound so suspiciously like laegel?
What Sindar, in all the history of Middle Earth, would be most likely to reject Sindar and Noldor blood altogether, and woo a Silvan or even a Green Elf?
Thranduil. Or, of course, Amroth, who was a kindred spirit.
There's no evidence that Legolas is anything but pure-blooded Sindar, except for the fact that he never acts like it and no one treats him that way. However, his name isn't really the Silvanized version of laeglas, Greenleaf. The extra syllable makes it sound more like laegel, Green-elf. We have some precedent for pun-names, too. The Galadhrim, the "Tree-people", and Galadriel, the "radiant garlanded maiden", occasionally swapped the spelling of their names, even though they're actually using two entirely different roots.
Is the "Green-elf" echo in Legolas' name a mere coincidence? What does Tolkien mean by "of royal and originally Sindarin line"? There is no way to be sure, but many people have speculated that his mother, like Amroth's lover Nimrodel, was not Sindar at all.
Conclusion
One thing is clear. Far from being a royal and noble prince, Legolas is simply a formidable and loyal friend. That is what they needed most in the Fellowship. And it is that loyalty to Gimli, not just the call of the Sea, that sends this "Wood-elf" on the last ship west to the Undying Lands. There he is to this day, presumably following the hunting-horn of Orom├ź.

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"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep" ----Robert Frost

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Elaviel, la prossima volta che posti un messagio del genere ti talgio le mani con la mia spada!

Scherzo, cmq una traduzione o almeno un riassunto, possibilmente in italiano, sarebbe utile per dedurne le infromazioni utili al thread, che a leggere tutto in english ci vuole tempo e il tempo ├Ę denaro...

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Aggiungerei inoltre che non tutti sanno l'inglese a sufficienza per capire un testo cos├Č lungo.

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Annwhen il 03-11-2003 19:20 ha scritto:
appare anche nel libro "racconti perduti" nel racconto l"la caduta di Gondolin" (non mi ricordo se anche nella versione posteriore cio├Ę il "Silmarillion") quindi se non sbaglio dovrebbe essere anche pi├╣ vecchio di Elrond! :rolleye non sono sicurissima
spero di non aver detto una cavolata enorme...

a me pare che non si sia sicuri che si tratti dello stesso Legolas anche perch├Ę il Legolas verdefoglia del Signore degli Anelli dovrebbe essere nato a Bosco Atro...

i amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, han mathon ne chae a han noston ne 'wilith. The world is changed, i feel it in the water, i feel it in the earth i smell it in the air. (The Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring film)

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